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Pronouncing R letter as the first letter in a word and somewhere at the end

2017-01-05 08:18:28
rikola

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When R is at the beginning, tongue pulls back a bit and raises without touching the roof of the mouth and then you say "R".

But if it's in a word, such as "part" or "whatever", [tongue raises in the middle, not at the tip. So arches basically](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq_yIbrD01c&t=2m55s).

However, [over here, the guy keeps using the same "R" tongue position whether R is at the beginning or in the middle of the word(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wEIsyqu_Jo&t=5m30s). Do Americans use the same tongue position for both cases when R is at beginning and somewhere further down in the word? Or? Do most Americans arch the "R" in words such as "part", "whatever", "important"?
2017-01-05 08:22:09
rikola

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And in here, Rachel uses first "R" by raising the middle of the mouth to the roof, not the tip. So I don't get which way is the most common. It feels like when mouth is pointing with its tip at the roof to pronounce "R".
2017-01-07 07:02:00
rikola

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No one, really?
2017-01-07 10:28:41
zymbronia

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It is absolutely different from Russian sound. Some Brits produce this roar too, maybe less clearly, though.
2017-01-07 13:39:25
gavenkoa

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rikola пишет:

So I don't get which way is the most common. It feels like when mouth is pointing with its tip at the roof to pronounce "R"

Bunched pronunciation is most common but some natives uses both style depending on surrounding sounds.

Both type of pronunciation are acceptable even by Rachel ))

Here:
and here: http://www.playingwithwords365.com/2011/10/my-tricks-to-teaching-the-r-sound/ & http://community.advanceweb.com/blogs/sp_2/archive/2012/02/01/bunched-or-retroflex-which-r-you.aspx

child pronunciation trainer fallback to Retroflex pronunciation if it is hard to train child Bunched pronunciation.

I ended with Retroflex pronunciation and most inspiring instruction I've got from:

Сообщение отредактировано gavenkoa (2017-01-07 13:44:29).

2017-01-07 13:48:42
gavenkoa

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There is completely dedicated book on R pronunciation: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0970706073/

Successful R Therapy: Fixing the Hardest Sound in the World Paperback, 2004
2017-01-07 13:52:45
gavenkoa

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From http://nspt4kids.com/speech-and-language/tackling-trouble-with-r-exercises-to-practice-%E2%80%9Cr%E2%80%9D-pronunciation-with-your-child/


Elicitation techniques for /r/

Using hand gestures – Hold one hand horizontally to symbolize the tongue, and hold the other hand underneath. Using the hand on top, show the tongue movement necessary to produce /r/. By cupping the hand, you’re showing the tongue tip is up and slightly back.

Shaping /r/ from /l/ – Tell your child to make an /l/ sound. From there, they should slide their tongue along the top of their mouth (hard palate), and this will inevitably turn into the retroflexed tongue position.

Shaping /r/ from /oo/ – Have the child say “oo” as in the word “look.” While saying the “oo” sound, tell the child to move his tongue back and up slowly – Using your hand to show this movement can be helpful!

Shaping /r/ from /z/ – Have the child prolong the “z” sound. Then tell the child to move his/her tongue back slowly while opening the jaw slightly. Remind the child to keep the back sides of the tongue up against the upper teeth.

Using animal sounds (Always model these sounds for the child first.)

Rooster crowing in the morning, “rrr rrr rrr rrrrrrrrrr”
Cat purring, “purrrrrr”
Tiger growl, “grrrrrrr”

Using a silent /k/ – Have the child open their mouth and make a silent /k/. Then have him attempt the growling sound.

Changing jaw position with /l/ – Have the child produce the /l/ sound, and while saying this sound, pull the lower jaw down slowly until he reaches the correct position for /r/ – An adult can pull the jaw down gently if the child is having a difficult time lowering it down slowly

Eliminating the /w/ – If the child is using a /w/ sound for /r/- Tell the child to smile – you can’t make a /w/ sound when you smile!

2017-01-07 13:59:23
gavenkoa

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From https://books.google.com.ua/books?id=FjLc1XtqJUUC&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12

A Course in Phonetics by Peter Ladefoged,Keith Johnson


Retroflex
(Tongue tip and the back of the alveolar ridge.) Many speakers of English
do not use retroflex sounds at all
. But some speakers begin words such as
rye, row, ray with retroflex sounds
. Note the position of the tip of your
tongue in these words. Speakers who pronounce r at the ends of words
may also have retroflex sounds with the tip of the tongue raised in ire,
hour, air.

2017-01-07 21:42:14
rikola

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Retroflex is when tip upwards? And bunched is tip down, right?
2017-01-07 23:50:46
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